FA 108 Toxic Popularity


On this week’s show we open with a discussion of the sexualization of animals, and the various forms such sexualization can take (zoophilia, bestiality, zoosadism). Guest host Klik Wolf joins us to discuss our main topic, toxic popularity — we talk about how the desire to become popular can turn some well-meaning furs into people they don’t want to be. We close with advice about becoming more dominant in bed.

Viro: Welcome back to Feral Attraction! Joining me as a guest host this week is Klik Wolf. Klik, why don’t you take a moment to introduce yourself?

Klik: Hello, I'm klik Wolf. I'm an aspiring indie game dev and adult performer and I've been in the furry fandom for over 8 years but have just recently started getting involved in the community.

Introduction topic

  • What forms can sexualization of animals take?

    • Zoophilia

      • Taking a sexual interest in animals

      • Fantasizing about animals or animal parts in a sexual way

      • May include feral art / roleplay

    • Bestiality

      • Having sexual contact with an animal

    • Zoosadism

      • Torturing an animal for the purpose of sexual gratification

  • What are the ethics of having a sexual interest in animals?

    • Should we be tolerant of non-offending zoophiles?

    • What are the ethics of thought crimes?

  • What is the legality?

    • Sexual contact with animals is illegal in many jurisdictions, including most of the United States

      • Hawaii, Kentucky, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming are the only states that lack explicit anti-bestiality laws

Topic — Toxic Popularity

What is the purpose of fandom?

  • The furry fandom was created to be a place where anyone could be accepted and supported, a fandom where people could forget about shallow ideas like popularity and enjoy the company of others without worrying about social pretenses. Unfortunately, many furs don't feel like this is the case.

How does popularity in the fandom actually work?

  • What tends to get social media attention

    • Often, things that are quite impersonal

      • Positivity

      • Memes

      • Relatable sentiments

      • Fursuit pics

      • Humor/Puns

      • Smut

      • Porn

  • What tends to make people avoid you

    • Often, things that are quite personal

      • Drama

      • Negativity

      • Contrarianism

        • (unless you’re popular specifically for being a troll)

      • Neediness

      • Desperation

      • Awkwardness

      • Inappropriateness

  • Cliques

    • Many groups of friends in the fandom are essentially by invitation only

      • It can be frustrating to attempt to befriend someone who is part of a clique

      • The value of a clique lies in there being an “outgroup” of people who supposedly “aren’t worthy” of being in

        • You do not need to internalize the message that you “aren’t worthy” just because a particular clique seems closed off to you

What are the downsides of popularity?

  • Haters

    • Some people will be envious of you and will take a dislike to you, or even work to sabotage you

  • Extra scrutiny

    • Lots of eyes and ears on you means people notice your mistakes (microaggressions, moments of weakness/anger, etc.)

    • Tone policing

      • Can feel like you need to wear a mask, not be “human”

  • Prejudice

    • People who know you by reputation can form first impressions of you without you ever actually meeting them

      • Can create a sense of paranoia

  • Emotional bandwidth

    • Fan interactions / fan service can become extremely draining and allow little time/energy for personal/intimate relationships

How do you want to show up in the fandom?

  • Why do you want to be popular?

    • Attention?

    • Sexual partner selection?

    • Influence?

    • Legacy?

    • Power?

  • What would popularity actually bring you?

    • Weigh pros/cons

      • How much of your “true self” are you willing to lose?

  • How can you show up in a likable but authentic way?

  • How else can you create the emotions you’re after?

    • Who do you really want to be well liked by?


“I just found your podcasts the other day through Culturally F’d. You guys do a wonderful service for humanity and the anthro community. Life’s been fucking dark so I look forward to the new episodes and I’m speechless for how this fandom is matured. Without a doubt, thank you for everything you do, seriously. In just about 6 months I returned to being a furry after like 10 years, and everywhere I look I see so much to fucking love in this community. Especially resistance regaining ground against empire. Seems so unreal.” - Daisy



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      • Joel Kreissman is a published author of anthropomorphic science-fiction in his Para-Imperium universe. His first novel, The Pride of Parahumans, was published with Thurston Howl publications in 2017 and he has more free stories on his blog at https://paraimperium.wordpress.com/

Viro the Science Collie

Viro Science Collie is a PhD virologist and medical writer, experienced in teaching, technical communication, and writing for the public. He has been active in the furry community since 2012 and has been happily and ethically non-monogamous for much of that time. His interests include non-traditional relationship structures, technology, biological science, and tennis.